Sunday, May 23, 2010
Link to a forum : "Consumer Credit Counseling Service??"
Thursday, April 15, 2010
Link to a forum : "Consumer Credit Counseling etc."
(more than 26 replies)
Opening post of this forum :
"Hi ,
I'm not saying I'm going to do this, but it never hurts to consider options. Does anyone know anything about debt consolidation, consumer credit counseling, bankruptcy, and similar such programs?
DR says they are a bad idea b/c they will destroy your credit. But, I'm starting to wonder if it might be the only realistic option for us. Ironically, one reason we were able to take on so much debt is because of our good credit. Somehow we always manage to make the minimum payments and make them on time. However, if we were to move I doubt if we could get another mortgage or even qualify for a rental property because our debt to income ratio is terrible with a capital T. And I know of others who have declared bankruptcy or done some type of debt consolidation and they survived and were better off in the long run.
If the farm sells the situation will change considerably but who knows when that will happen.
Given the poor economy I don't see our income going up significantly any time in the near future. At the rate we're going we will literally have this consumer debt for the rest of our lives.
Does anyone have any ideas? "
Friday, January 4, 2008
Link to a forum : Dealing with Consumer Credit Counselling Service
First comment from this forum :
My situatuation is I have retrained to another career (Aviation) and I am
applying like crazy to companies for positions but no success yet.
Meanwhile I am struggling to keep my head above water paying off all the debt I have built up and am trying to avoid any defaults CCJ's etc, so in summary below is what I owe and how things have gone thus far.
Currently owe
Egg CCard 5000
Egg Money 5000
N Rock 3000
Cahoot 9000
YB Visa 4000
GM Card 4000
Halifax Loan 3500
Capital Bank13500
Total 47000
When I get sorted with a good job I wish to move house because our family is expanding so we need more room, below then are a list of questions relating to what consequences will occur due to dealing with CCCS other than
some peace of ming (Hopefully)
1. Credit rating already knackered will it get worse by dealing with CCCS
2. Don't have any defaults, CCJ's or anything but it's only a matter of time
as more going out than coming in.
3. If I get a plan going with CCCS will it affect me wanting to move house
say in the next 1 to 2 years with regard to getting a mortgage.
4. What options might CCCS offer me.
As an aside Northern Rock are trying to stiff me for an extra £30 admin charge
due to an unpaid DD below is a timeline of events, what can I reasonably ask them to do, and have they broken any rules by trying to collect and then subsequently re-charge me for something I have already paid.
20 July DD for £238 returned unpaid by my Bank
21 July Got letter informing me of unpaid DD which would be collected
10 days after letter.
23 July paid the £238 by Debit card to try and avoid late payment charge
25 July got a letter saying charged £30 for unpaid DD
31 July then they tried to take another payment by DD and returned
unpaid
09 Aug got another letter saying DD returned unpaid £30 admin
I wasn't in arrears so no reason to take 2 DD's so computer/operator has
dropped a clanger, what can I get back, have they flauted any law or guideline and if so between getting my £30 back and asking for the loan to be settled what might be reasonable.
I thank all for any help and advice that is given.
Regards Geoff."
see this forum at : http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=243374#post2675932
Friday, October 26, 2007
Criticism of credit counseling (USA)
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the number of credit and debt counseling agencies in America increased significantly. An antitrust lawsuit was filed against the NFCC, arguing that the presence of creditors on the NFCC’s Board of Directors constituted monopolistic practices. As a result of this litigation, creditors agreed to fund non-NFCC member agencies as well.These sharp increases of credit counseling activity also created other, more serious issues in the industry. By the early 1990s, abuses by certain credit counseling organizations were so significant, it led to criticism of the entire industry.
A credit counseling agency typically receives most of its compensation from the creditors to whom the debt payments are distributed. This funding relationship has led many to believe that credit counseling agencies are merely a collections wing of the creditors. This fee income, known as “Fair Share,” are contributions from the creditors that originally earned the agency 15% of the amount recovered. However, in recent years, Fair Share contributions have dwindled steadily, with contributions of 4-10% being the most common.
Still the NFCC considers bankcard companies to be one of their primary "constituents," and the NFCC website promotes the fact that they collect $5 billion for creditors each year. It also promotes their efforts to steer consumers away from bankruptcy.
The Federal Trade Commission has filed lawsuits against several credit counseling agencies, and continues to urge caution in choosing a credit counseling agency. The FTC has received more than 8,000 complaints from consumers about credit counselors, many concerning high or hidden fees and the inability to opt out of so-called “voluntary” contributions. The Better Business Bureau also reports high complaint levels about credit counseling.
The IRS also has weighed in on the subject of credit counseling, and has denied nonprofit 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status to around 30 of the nation's 1000 credit counseling agencies. Those 30 credit counseling agencies account for more than half of the industry's revenue. Audits of non-profit credit counseling agencies by the IRS are ongoing.
The lobby against credit counselors arises from the belief by the collection industry that the not-for-profit status of the credit counselors gives them an unfair financial and market advantage over them. The IRS apparently agrees. The tax exempt revocations seem to be centered around whether a tax exempt credit counselor actually performed their mandated mission by assisting the community at large, other than their whole attention to their own DMP customers in a "collection practice" (no one knows for sure however).
Congress has also investigated the credit counseling industry, and issued a report that said while some agencies are ethical, others charge excessive fees and provide poor service to consumers. The report also stated that NFCC member guidelines, if applied to the entire credit counseling industry, would go a long way toward eliminating the abuses they uncovered in some parts of the industry.
Other organizations have voiced criticisms of the credit counseling industry, often citing the Fair Share funding model as evidence that credit counselors serve the interests of the creditors over the interests of consumers, and that credit counselors are not forthcoming in speaking out about the actions of creditors for fear of losing what little funding remains. Credit counselors respond that their job is not to take sides but to negotiate with all parties equally to help successfully resolve debts. They further argue that the steady decline in Fair Share funding belies the notion that creditors are in control of the credit counseling industry.
Another common criticism of credit counseling is the assertion that participating in a Debt Management Plan will ruin a consumer’s credit. Fair Isaac Corporation, the company that pioneered the use of credit scores, states that participation in a Debt Management Plan has no effect on a consumer's FICO credit score. However, the participation in such a plan does appear on consumer credit reports, and the client may have more difficulty obtaining a car or home loan and be denied any further unsecured credit, such as a credit card. This is because lenders often use multiple risk factors to determine creditworthiness. While credit card banks offering relatively low-credit-line cards may use a credit score alone to approve a new account, a mortgage or car lender typically will scrutinize the entire credit report more extensively and verify employment and income information. Some lenders view a prospective customer's participation in a Debt Management Plan as indicative of the customer being unfit to manage their finances.
Additionally, mortgage loans backed by federal programs such as HUD or FHA have additional government underwriting guidelines in addition to the lender's own policies. HUD/FHA states their position on credit counseling is neutral and that a factor they will consider is whether the client has been adhering to the payment plan initially established through the credit counseling agency.[1] The FHA recommends credit counseling programs to those who fear being denied a mortgage loan due to credit approval.[2]
Counseling agencies have also been criticized for understating their clients' future responsibilities during the initial enrollment process. Agencies have been accused of telling clients to stop paying creditors directly and cease all telephone contact with creditors. This can result in accounts falling past due during the period that the client transitions into the DMP. Many clients come to the DMP with current accounts; they are simply seeking lower interest rates rather than needing help bringing their accounts current. It takes the average DMP 1-2 months to start making disbursements to creditors, during which time the accounts will fall past due if the client does not continue making direct payments to the creditors. Often this is impossible, however, because the client cannot afford to pay the DMP an advance payment as well as pay the creditors the normal monthly payment amounts. In this way a client's credit can be damaged as the accounts unintentionally fall past due.
Given this criticism, the industry is likely to be changed forever in the immediate future as it is scrutinized by both the consumer and government regulators over how they will be paid for the services they perform. In meantime, there will be no shortage of debt-burdened consumers who will now be facing a burgeoning, and more traditional, collection industry.
It should also be noted that many credit counseling services employ people hired off the street who are then trained in credit counseling. Thus the person helping you may not have any formal training in financial management other than what they received when they got hired as a credit counselor. This training is usually minimal and focused only on the services provided rather than a full course on financial management.
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_counseling
Article : Consumer Credit Counseling Services
By Cindy HolbrookReal Estate Plus Editor
Does the dream of owning a home seem impossible? Are you struggling to make ends meet? Are your bills bigger then your paycheck? Are you only able to make the minimum payments on your credit cards?
Consumer Credit Counseling Service (CCCS) a local, nonprofit credit counseling agency, can help you solve your credit and debt problems. Our certified credit counselors can show you how to take control of your money and achieve your financial goals. Consumer Credit Counseling Service is a program of Lutheran Social Services of Mid-America and a member of the National Foundation of Credit Counseling.
Debt Management Program - Get out from under you financial burdens and set a course for a debt-free future through our Debt Management Program. The first step is to contact us by phone, email or website. We will send you a worksheet to complete, which includes your income and expenses, and a list of your creditors. Then contact us for an appointment. At your confidential appointment, a certified counselor will complete a budget assessment by reviewing your income, expenses, and debt levels. They will assist with identifying problems and the need for appropriate referrals. You may find that assistance with financial management is all you need to get back on track.
However, many people find they will benefit from our Debt Management Program, where we work with creditors to reduce monthly payments and interest to affordable levels until your debt is paid in full. As the only local credit counseling agency in the Miami Valley, you have your choice of in-person, telephone, or internet counseling. So, if you feel you are getting overextended, give us a call. We can’t help you if you wait too long.
Credit Report Reviews - Uncover the mystery of your credit report. These confidential sessions will explain your credit report, help you identify and address any problems and show you how to protect yourself from identify theft.
Consumer Education Programs - Learn more about a wide variety of consumer financial topics through our educational programs. A large selection of classroom and community presentations covering topics like budgeting, credit, debt management and banking basics is available.
Default Mortgage Counseling - Bring your mortgage up-to-date and keep it that way. Through individual counseling sessions we’ll help you explore all the possible solutions to prevent losing your home and analyze your cash flow to see how your income stacks up against your expenses. We’ll try to negotiate a solution with your loan provider. And we’ll help you prioritize your debts to avoid a situation like this in the future.
Springfield Office - Consumer Credit Counseling Service, 204 N. Fountain Avenue, Springfield, Ohio 45504, 937-325-2898 or 1-800-377-2432. Website: www.cccsmv.org.
The above information was provided by Consumer Credit Counseling Services of Miami Valley.
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